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Spugg Galdon
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Posted - 2013.01.14 11:21:00 -
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I'm starting to agree with those people who say "odd" drone bandwidth sizes are weird an impractical.
I see two possible solutions to this issue, if, indeed CCP believes it is an issue.
A) Lower bandwidth down to 50 M/Bit and increase Damage/HP bonus accordingly.
B) Increase bandwidth and replace damage + HP bonus with a tracking/optimal + HP range bonus.
Also. The Brutix and Myrmidon, like the Drake and the Ferox, sharing the same tanking bonuses should be reviewed.
In the case of the Brutix and Myrmidon. We need to figure out which ship should drop the Active Armour bonus.
The Brutix would benefit from either a Tacking, Falloff or MWD Cap use bonus.
The Myrmidon would benefit from either a Drone control range or a Drone MWD speed bonus.
Last point. All these BC's should have a utility high and the fitting to fill it with a gang link.
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Spugg Galdon
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Posted - 2013.01.14 11:50:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Proph should have a higher damage bonus and 50 bandwith
Would also make it far more different from the myrm.
Considering this, the Prophecy would need a 20% per level bonus to Damage and HP of drones in order for 50M/Bit bandwidth to be equal to 75M/Bit. This would raise some issues of damage application on smaller targets as a flight of smalls would inflict just under 200 dps (Hobgoblin II's) before damage mods.
This would mean the Prophecy would have almost no vulnerability to frigates due to very high damage light drones + missiles.
I am not averse to this option however.
I would Suggest that the Myrmidon would be different however in that it would field 125M/Bit bandwidth but switch it's drone bonus to a 10% per level Drone tracking, optimal range and HP. |
Spugg Galdon
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Posted - 2013.01.14 12:49:00 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:Why is the harbinger going to lose a turret?
It's actually gaining 0.25 of a "virtual" turret with the increased damage bonus |
Spugg Galdon
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Posted - 2013.01.14 12:53:00 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:the changes will increase harbinger dps then?
The Harbinger will have the equivalent of 9 turrets instead of 8.75 at the capacitor and fitting costs of 6 guns instead of 7. It did also recieve a fairly hefty nerf to it's mobility and a little nerf to HP so it will depend on how you fit it to whether or not you get a DPS buff out of it. |
Spugg Galdon
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Posted - 2013.01.14 13:02:00 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:Spugg Galdon wrote:Bastion Arzi wrote:the changes will increase harbinger dps then? The Harbinger will have the equivalent of 9 turrets instead of 8.75 at the capacitor and fitting costs of 6 guns instead of 7. It did also recieve a fairly hefty nerf to it's mobility and a little nerf to HP so it will depend on how you fit it to whether or not you get a DPS buff out of it. can u tell me how u worked this out please? i thought 7 turrets each doing say 100 dps (just for simplicity sake) so in total 700 dps + 5% = 735 6 turrets doing 100 dps each = 600 dps then plus 10% only = 660 forgive me if im wrong
At Battlecruiser level 5 skill the bonus is (old) 25% and (new) 50%
So 7 guns doing 100 dps old (level 5 skills) = 700 x 1.25 = 875
and 6 guns doing 100 dps new (level 5 skills) = 600 x 1.5 = 900
So the buff is only apparant at a level 5 skilled pilot. |
Spugg Galdon
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Posted - 2013.01.14 14:25:00 -
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Jerick Ludhowe wrote:Spugg Galdon wrote:
In the case of the Brutix and Myrmidon. We need to figure out which ship should drop the Active Armour bonus.
The Brutix would benefit from either a Tacking, Falloff or MWD Cap use bonus.
The Myrmidon would benefit from either a Drone control range or a Drone MWD speed bonus.
As you stated, there needs to be a change to one of the active tanking bonuses. The Tracking you've suggested on the brutix is omo, a no go... That's a bonus used by the attack line which the thorax, talos, and megathron are part of. The MWD bonus? Yea, that's just a bad bonus... The Falloff bonus, like the tracking bonus, will make the Brutix just too similar to the talos. Saying that... I'm far more in favor of the Brutix keeping the active tank bonus with some serious revisions to the bonus. This would put it in the Incursus, Brutix, Hyperion "Combat" Line. The Myrmidon is the one that I strongly believe should be losing it's active bonus in favor of another Drone related bonus. MWD speed or Drone tracking would interesting additions.
But the issue with dropping the active tank bonus from the Myrmidon is that it actually works on that ship. Dual or Tri rep Myrms are actually good small scale PvP options and with the "unkown" factor of active armour tanking getting tweaked we might be loosing a ship that is actually exceptional at what it does. All this being said, a Brutix with 6 low slots and a dual or tri rep fit might actually be fantastic too.
The problem is that we are all uninformed. We can not make any judgement of the active tank bonus without knowing what the plans for active tanking actually are. CCP Fozzie. Please release this infomation sooner rather than later so we can apply it to this ship balance pass. |
Spugg Galdon
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Posted - 2013.01.14 15:50:00 -
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Mund Richard wrote:Jonas Sukarala wrote:Thing is though is that the drake is still a brawler or at least its OP tank would suggest it is.
It would really be a better ship with a ROF bonus and a utility high for a link as caldari are the only ones without any utility highs and has two heavily tanked ships Agreed that the Caldari have two brawlers (though Ferox with 5 mids and 7 unbonused a bit nerfed for it's resist bonus), the only two heavily-tanked no utility highslot depends on how you precieve the Myrm to have zero or five of them.
Really the Brutix needs to be Harbingerised and have 7 high slots, 6 guns and a 10% damage bonus. This way it gets the utility high. |
Spugg Galdon
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Posted - 2013.01.16 14:46:00 -
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Well after Looking at all these ships for quite a while here is my feedback:
Prophecy: Moving this ship into a Drone boat seems to be a good idea. Problems arise only in the bandwidth issue. The best solution to this would be to reduce bandwidth to 50 M/Bit and increase the damage and HP bonus to 15 or 20% per level.
Harbinger: Excellent setup for the 6 guns with the 10% damage bonus. The ship only has problems in fitting and mobility.
Ferox: Very good setup and differentiates it from the Moa with the 10% optimal. Ship lacks a utility high for a gang link though. Suggest moving the extra low slot to a high slot for a gang link or utility.
Drake: Has a similar problem to the Ferox in that it lacks the utility high. Suggest reducing launcher hardpoints to 6 and increasing damage bonus to 10% per level. Also consider removing Kinetic only damage.
Brutix: Excellent setup. However like the Ferox and the Drake it lacks a utility high. Reduce number of gun slots to six and increase damage bonus to 10% per level.
Myrmidon: Although an excellent setup the drone bay is really too small. The 100 M/Bit bandwidth also causes other issues. Suggest increasing drone bandwidth to 125M/Bit and changing the drone damage bonus to a drone tracking bonus. Increase Drone bay to 250 m3 (2x 125m3)
Cyclone: The damage output of the 5 launchers is a little lackluster. Instead of increases number of launchers to 5, I would suggest increasing the RoF bonuse to 7.5% per level. Also consider moving a utility high slot to a mid. Dual utility highs are bad. We have already seen this on the Hurricane.
Hurricane: No complaints. Seems bang on. |
Spugg Galdon
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Posted - 2013.01.18 11:46:00 -
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I can't wait to shield tank my Prophecy and armour tank my Cyclones and Ferox's. It's going to be hilarious |
Spugg Galdon
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Posted - 2013.02.05 09:21:00 -
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anyone got a lnik to the modified EFT then?
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Spugg Galdon
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Posted - 2013.02.05 09:54:00 -
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Frozen Eddie Johnson wrote:Yxilan wrote:Kinda funny how CCP Fozzie ignored all the worries about the conflicting bonuses or the powergrid shortage, but was quick to assure us that Certificates will be taken care of right away.
If this is CCP's idea of approaching ship balance i wish you the best of luck and won't bother with this forum since most of the input is simply swept aside.
Fly safe! These are pretty much my thoughts. Why in the hell did Fozzie even bother to make this thread? He clearly doesn't want to hear/doesn't care about feedback on this stuff, and it will launch as proposed from the start. If that's how he wants to do it, fine, but he should have saved everyone some trouble and just posted this as a dev blog with comments disabled. It would have the same net effect.
I'm pretty sure Fozzie has taken the feedback from this thread on, in fact I know he has because the changes he made to the original rebalance to what we have now are almost exactly what my feedback on this rebalance was. So if you don't like the way things are now it kinda seems to be my fault too  |
Spugg Galdon
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Posted - 2013.02.06 12:23:00 -
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Flatiner wrote:Can I ask who in their stoned state of mind hired this goon? Seriously why dont you try doing something productive in this game that WE the player pay for instead of f**ki*g us in the butt every chance you get. At this rate you might as well apply for bankruptcy just like THQ did for not listening to the player base. Fix what needs to be fixed stop breaking items/ships what have you, that don't need your rediculous ideas or "improvments" as you all call them. I'm not the oldest player in eve but I feel as if this game has taking a change for the worse since they hired Fuzzie to the ccp team. Here's an idea why don't you ask your player base what they would like to see happen. Seriously tired of the "changes" to this game and can't wait for a new game to come along and stomp this one into the ground
Well I beg to differ. If you actually play this game you would know that CCP Fozzie has made so many ships that were useless actually great to fly now. I find the variety of ships flown in game now staggering. I never know what I might find.
If you didn't know, these are the ships that have been made very useful and fun to fly that were pretty much useless before Fozzie touched them:
all T1 Exploration frigates
All T1 Attack frigates
All T1 EWAR frigates
All T1 Logistics frigates (previously mining ships)
7 out of the 8 Combat frigates (the Rifter is now a lame ugly duckling)
All original Destroyers
All T1 Logistics Cruisers
All T1 EWAR Cruisers
All T1 Attack Cruisers
3 out of the 4 Combat Cruisers (The Maller is not quite as good as it should be)
At my count 19 of the above ships were probably never flown with serious intent and out of the 48 ships, only two could use a second balance pass (I'm looking at you Maller/Rifter)
also, can I haz your stuff? |
Spugg Galdon
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Posted - 2013.02.27 12:13:00 -
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PROMETEUS PRIME wrote:
I would gladly enter with my main in here but since we are now without any ships that makes any sence anymore we can't even ******* defend ourselfs either. hence the ALT.
The people who are attacking you have EXACTLY the same tool set as you. Your logic that you can't defend yourself against people who can only use the same stuff as you has no logic. There is a lot of Darwinism in EvE. The term "Adapt or Die" works very well.
Also, Can I haz all your stuff and the stuff the 6 other accounts had? |
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